Legislature(2003 - 2004)

02/17/2004 01:30 PM House TRA

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HB 392-SEAT BELT VIOLATION AS PRIMARY OFFENSE                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLM  announced that  the first order  of business  would be                                                              
HOUSE  BILL NO.  392, "An  Act relating  to  motor vehicle  safety                                                              
belt violations."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0110                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CHERYLL   HEINZE,   Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                              
speaking  as the  sponsor,  explained  that HB  392  does not  add                                                              
another law because  it is already against the law  [not to wear a                                                              
seat  belt while  riding in  a motor  vehicle];  instead the  bill                                                              
would  make it  a primary  [offense] for  failure to  wear a  seat                                                              
belt.    This  would  mean  that  a  police  officer  can  stop  a                                                              
[vehicle]  if an  [occupant]  is not  wearing  a seat  belt.   She                                                              
offered the  scenario of  a senator from  Alaska who  was visiting                                                              
Washington  State  and  wore  a   seat  belt,  when  normally  she                                                              
wouldn't,  because it  was required  by law.   She suggested  that                                                              
the law works.   She talked  about a 16-year-old boy  being killed                                                              
because he  wasn't wearing a  seat belt.   If this law  is passed,                                                              
[the legislature] may  be a part of saving a life.   She remarked,                                                              
"It  could be  no  greater gift  that  I could  give  back to  the                                                              
people of  Alaska then  to save  a life."   She explained  that 37                                                              
Alaskans  died [in accidents]  last year  while unrestrained,  and                                                              
statistics  suggest that  half of  those people  [could have  been                                                              
saved by wearing  a seat belt].   She remarked, "What  if we could                                                              
save one,  and what if  it were or  had been the  16-year-old boy;                                                              
... that's  why I'm  here; that's  why I'm  asking for  your help;                                                              
and that's  why I firmly believe  that we must not walk  away from                                                              
this responsibility."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH  asked  if  an officer  can  take  other                                                              
actions when stopping a vehicle for a seat belt violation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0425                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JON BITTNER, Staff  to Representative Cheryl Heinze,  Alaska State                                                              
Legislature,  responded  that  he   believed  so,  but  he  wasn't                                                              
certain.  He deferred the question to the department.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0556                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN  STOREY,  Lieutenant,  Central Office,  Division  of  Alaska                                                              
State Troopers,  Department of Public  Safety (DPS),  related that                                                              
this legislation  would give DPS  the ability to  take enforcement                                                              
action  for  a  seat  belt  offense  the  same  as  other  traffic                                                              
offenses.   He  said if  an officer  observes a  person making  an                                                              
illegal turn  or rolling  through a stop  sign, the  officer would                                                              
contact  the  person  based  on  his or  her  observation  of  the                                                              
offense.    He  said  if an  officer  observed  a  person  driving                                                              
without  a seat  belt, the  officer  could make  contact with  the                                                              
person and  determine whether  a citation or  a verbal  warning is                                                              
appropriate.   Lieutenant  Storey said currently,  an officer  has                                                              
to  wait and  observe the  vehicle  committing another  infraction                                                              
before making contact to talk about a seat belt violation.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH  asked  about  stopping  a  vehicle  for                                                              
other purposes and then discussing the seat belt violation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  STOREY pointed  out that  there are  many good  people                                                              
who,  for a  variety  of  reasons, don't  wear  a  seat belt,  and                                                              
aren't   driving  in   a  manner   that   currently  allows   [law                                                              
enforcement] to make  contact to discuss wearing a  seat belt.  He                                                              
noted that  there has  been some  discussion indicating  this will                                                              
give law  enforcement the  ability to check  seat belts,  which is                                                              
not true.   A violation would  have to be observed,  and therefore                                                              
the occupants  of a  [moving vehicle]  would  have to be  observed                                                              
unrestrained, at  which point the  officer could make  contact and                                                              
decide what enforcement action to take, he explained.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0720                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if it  is possible to  determine, with                                                              
certainty, that a seat belt is not being used.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT STOREY  replied no.  He  said if there is any  doubt in                                                              
the  officer's mind,  contact  would  not be  made.   However,  of                                                              
primary  concern  to law  enforcement  are blatant  violations  in                                                              
which  children or  adults  are out  of position  as  a result  of                                                              
improper restraint.   "I'm  sure you  ... frequently see  children                                                              
hopping around ...  and moving around in the seats;  those are the                                                              
kinds of situations that we have concerns about," he remarked.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if it  would be possible  to ascertain                                                              
that a seat belt would have prevented a fatality.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  STOREY deferred  to the legislative  liaison  for DPS.                                                              
From the  perspective of law  enforcement, Lieutenant  Storey said                                                              
the  first thing  he looks  for at  a serious  injury accident  is                                                              
whether seat  belts were utilized or  not.  If no seat  belts were                                                              
worn in  a serious  accident, there is  a much higher  probability                                                              
of  serious physical  injuries or  fatalities,  and therefore  the                                                              
investigation  proceeds in  that light.   The  primary concern  of                                                              
law  enforcement  officers  at accident  scenes  is  whether  seat                                                              
belts  were  worn or  not  because  that provides  them  knowledge                                                              
regarding whether it's going to be a serious injury accident.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0857                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE asked  if  drunk drivers  are noticed  more                                                              
when not wearing a seat belt.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT STOREY  answered that it's certainly one  of the things                                                              
that  help  develop  a  reasonable  suspicion  and  then  probable                                                              
cause.    He  explained  that  a  person  who  may  be  under  the                                                              
influence of  alcohol is impaired  and may very likely  choose not                                                              
to use a seat belt or simply overlook it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0962                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STEPOVICH  asked   what  currently  prevents   an                                                              
officer who  witnesses gross negligence,  such as  an unrestrained                                                              
child, from stopping the vehicle.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  STOREY  said  in  situations   involving  unrestrained                                                              
children, the officer  would make contact and "ask  them to do the                                                              
right  thing  and  get  everybody   secured."    If  a  driver  or                                                              
passenger  is not  wearing  a seat  belt, it  is  likely that  the                                                              
children are  also not restrained.   He highlighted  that children                                                              
learn from  their parents, and  therefore [law enforcement]  would                                                              
like  to  be  able  to  make  contact  and  have  those  kinds  of                                                              
discussions  when the  driver or  passenger isn't  wearing a  seat                                                              
belt.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH asked  if a  vehicle can  be stopped  if                                                              
that situation is observed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT STOREY replied yes.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEPOVICH expressed concern about "guess work."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT   STOREY  clarified   that   he'd  like   to  call   it                                                              
professional instincts.   The troopers won't stop  people for seat                                                              
belt violations unless  there is a clear observation  that there's                                                              
a seat  belt violation  occurring.   "We have  good discretion  on                                                              
whether we  want to cite that  person or simply have  a discussion                                                              
with them  about the use  of the seat  belt and the  importance of                                                              
it.   That's typical  officer discretion  on traffic contact,"  he                                                              
related.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEPOVICH  remarked, "We  trust that you  guys will                                                              
handle it right as we trust people to wear seat belts."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT STOREY replied, "I appreciate your trust."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HEINZE  asked how much seat belt usage  would go up                                                              
if this were put into law and the public was aware of it.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  STOREY  related  that  during  his  involvement  in  a                                                              
couple  of holiday  enforcement  efforts  when it's  widely  known                                                              
that  enforcement   of  seat   belts  is   a  priority   with  law                                                              
enforcement,  the  use  of  seat   belts  typically  increased  to                                                              
between  10  and 20  percent  during  those periods  of  interest.                                                              
However, without  continued emphasis, it  tends to taper  back off                                                              
again.    Lieutenant  Storey  further   related  that  the  Alaska                                                              
Highway  Safety  Office  statistics  show  that  the  current  law                                                              
caused seat  belt usage  to increase, although  it still  needs to                                                              
be improved.   "We're still  not at the  levels we should  be," he                                                              
remarked.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM  mentioned  profiling,  and said  he  somewhat  shared                                                              
Representative  Stepovich's concern  that "we don't  automatically                                                              
consider somebody as a law breaker just by chance."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1185                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DON  SMITH, Administrator,  Alaska Highway  Safety Office  (AHSO),                                                              
Division of  Program Development,  Department of Transportation  &                                                              
Public Facilities, provided the following testimony:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I've only  been in  this job since  November 1,  of last                                                                   
     year, if  you'd have asked  me this question  six months                                                                   
     ago  or eight  months ago,  I  probably would've  thrown                                                                   
     out  my libertarian,  conservative  views  that I  don't                                                                   
     want  government telling  me  what to  do  ....   You've                                                                   
     heard  that, I'm sure,  from lots  of people, but  after                                                                   
     I've had an  opportunity for almost four months  to look                                                                   
     at   some   of  the   statistics,   the   reports,   the                                                                   
     information  that we  generate  every month.   ...  I've                                                                   
     come to the  conclusion that we definitely  need to have                                                                   
     a primary seat belt law.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  said he  thought that passing  this law would  probably                                                              
increase  seat belt  usage in  Alaska  by at  least 11  percentage                                                              
points, which  would put it  in a range of  90 percent usage.   If                                                              
this  law were  on the  books, it  could save  6 -  10 lives  next                                                              
year.   Mr.  Smith informed  the  committee that  seat belt  usage                                                              
increased during  the past  year due to  the "Click It  or Ticket"                                                              
ads, which  emphasized the need to  buckle up.  [The  ad campaign]                                                              
has raised  the rate  of usage during  the past  year by  about 13                                                              
points.   Mr.  Smith suggested  that approximately  40 percent  of                                                              
people involved  in traffic accidents  in Alaska were  not wearing                                                              
seat  belts and  95 people  lost  their lives  in 2003.   He  said                                                              
[putting this  bill into  law] would  definitely save  some lives,                                                              
and furthermore  the chance  of receiving  [a citation]  will make                                                              
some people be more careful.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SMITH pointed  out  that  those accidents  with  unrestrained                                                              
people cost  millions of  dollars for which  all of  society pays.                                                              
Therefore, he  emphasized the importance  of wearing a  seat belt,                                                              
which is an easy  thing to do, doesn't really cause  all that much                                                              
trouble  for the  public,  and saves  lives.    In conclusion,  he                                                              
strongly urged the committee to pass the bill.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1415                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  E.  QUINLAN,  Chief,  Safety  Advocacy  Division,  National                                                              
Transportation  Safety Board (NTSB),  informed the committee  that                                                              
the bill  packet contained  his written  testimony and  a brochure                                                              
entitled, "NTSB  Most Wanted."  He  explained that the  NTSB is an                                                              
independent  federal  transportation  and  accident  investigation                                                              
agency that [investigates]  highway crashes on a  selective basis,                                                              
because it can't  investigate all crashes.  Since  the states have                                                              
primacy  in  highway crashes,  the  NTSB  works closely  with  the                                                              
states.   The NTSB investigates  but does not regulate  because it                                                              
has no  regulatory authority.   More importantly, the  [NTSB] does                                                              
not tell states  what to do, rather  it asks the states  to do the                                                              
right thing based  on its investigations.  He noted  that the NTSB                                                              
is known for its scientific integrity and objectivity.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN  explained  that 90  percent  of  all  transportation                                                              
fatalities occur  on highways  and seat belts  are the  number one                                                              
defense   against   motor   vehicle   injuries   and   fatalities.                                                              
Furthermore,   seat  belts  prevent   ejections,  30   percent  of                                                              
ejections occur  when the  individual isn't  wearing a  seat belt.                                                              
Moreover, approximately  73 percent of ejections  result in death.                                                              
In  Alaska there  are  a  lot of  light  trucks and  SUVs  [sport-                                                              
utility vehicles],  which are not  constructed with  crumple zones                                                              
as  cars  are,  and  when those  vehicles  roll  it  tends  to  be                                                              
catastrophic.  Mr.  Quinlan related that it's been  estimated that                                                              
a  90 percent  nationwide  usage  rate would  result  in at  least                                                              
5,000 fewer  deaths and  130,000 fewer  injuries.   He said  it is                                                              
kind of  an anomaly  because seat  belt use  decreases with  crash                                                              
severity.  Nearly  600 vehicle occupants died in  Alaska from 1994                                                              
through 2002,  of which  64 percent  were unrestrained.   Although                                                              
recent  figures suggest  [the percent  of untrestrained  occupants                                                              
who  died]  has  decreased  to  58  percent,  it  certainly  isn't                                                              
enough.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1579                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN,  in response  to Representative  Gatto, related  that                                                              
seat belts  are between  45 and 75  percent effective  in reducing                                                              
fatalities.   He explained  that  the 45 percent  relates  to cars                                                              
and drivers,  but does not include  back seat passengers.   The 75                                                              
percent  relates  to  pickup trucks,  which  have  different  belt                                                              
systems  and may  not have  crush  protection.   Therefore, it  is                                                              
more important  for those driving  SUVs and pickup trucks  to wear                                                              
a seat belt.   He remarked, "Based on that  multi-year comparison,                                                              
if you take a  very conservative 50 percent, you  could have saved                                                              
140 lives."   If this law  is passed, he  said seat belt  use will                                                              
increase among the  highest risk drivers, which  are teenagers who                                                              
want to  keep their  driver's licenses  and don't  want to  get an                                                              
offense.   He said [teenager's]  current usage rate is  between 30                                                              
and  40 percent,  and most  teenagers  killed in  crashes are  not                                                              
wearing seat  belts.   [This law] will  also affect  those drivers                                                              
who  have [been  drinking] because  those  people do  not want  to                                                              
give a police  officer probable cause  to stop them and  find that                                                              
they've  been drinking.   He suggested  that  seat belt use  among                                                              
older  drivers  will  increase  [with the  passage  of  this  law]                                                              
because those drivers tend to be law abiding citizens.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN remarked:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     In 2002,  there were  37 fatalities  in Alaska, so  just                                                                   
     for 2002, if  you take the 50 percent, that's  18 lives,                                                                   
     and  using  national numbers  -  now,  I know  your  ...                                                                   
     societal  costs   are  higher  in  Alaska,   [and]  your                                                                   
     medical  costs are  somewhat  higher, but  I don't  have                                                                   
     access  to  those  numbers  -  so  we  use  the  federal                                                                   
     numbers,  and  the  federal  numbers  are  $977,000  for                                                                   
     every  fatality  and  $1.1  million  for  every  serious                                                                   
     injury.   That  means, just  on  fatalities alone,  that                                                                   
     you would save $18 million dollars in one year ....                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.   QUINLAN  suggested   that   [$18  million   savings]  is   a                                                              
significant  amount  of  money,   especially  in  a  tight  budget                                                              
situation.   He  mentioned  the  Alaska Injury  Prevention  Center                                                              
report on safety  belt use, which he characterized  as a very good                                                              
report, although  the numbers  are a  little conservative  because                                                              
the report  doesn't include  fatalities in  which the  person dies                                                              
at  that roadside,  only  those  admitted to  the  hospital.   The                                                              
report provides  a measure of the  injury costs, which  he thought                                                              
was fairly  important.   Mr. Quinlan  highlighted that  Washington                                                              
State  adopted primary  safety belt  legislation a  few years  ago                                                              
and now has a  95 percent usage rate.  He related  that Harborview                                                              
Medical  Center, a  trauma center  in Seattle,  estimated that  it                                                              
would  save $55 million  in one  year from  injury crashes  alone,                                                              
not including fatalities.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  said the  law, in  other states,  has increased  seat                                                              
belt  usage by  15  percentage points,  and  should increase  seat                                                              
belt usage  in Alaska  to 90-95  percent.   The aforementioned  is                                                              
accomplished with  public information and periodic  enforcement in                                                              
an  effort to  remind  people to  be  responsible.   The  greatest                                                              
savings in medical  costs occur when [seat belt]  usage reaches 90                                                              
percent, he noted.   He pointed out that 20 states  and a district                                                              
now have  primary safety belt laws,  and several other  states are                                                              
considering  it  because  it  really  does  work.    He  said  the                                                              
brochure indicates  that primary seat  belt legislation is  on the                                                              
NTSB's  list of  "Most  Wanted"  safety recommendations.    Noting                                                              
that the  state has primacy in  this area, which is  important, he                                                              
said  it  would  be  inappropriate  and  probably  ineffective  to                                                              
regulate from Washington, D.C.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLM  said that hasn't  stopped the federal  government very                                                              
much.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  said the NTSB  does not do  that.  The  NTSB strongly                                                              
supports the adoption  of HB 392 because it is  the most effective                                                              
action  that  can  be  taken  to  reduce  highway  fatalities  and                                                              
injuries every  year.  The  gains will  be permanent and  it's the                                                              
right thing to do, he opined.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1907                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG  asked why  the  greatest cost  savings  occur                                                              
when seat belt usage is at the 90 percent or above level.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  replied that it's  because teen drivers  and impaired                                                              
drivers  are  the highest  risk  individuals.   He  mentioned  the                                                              
curve  of  crash  risk for  all  drivers,  which  illustrates  the                                                              
aforementioned.    He  explained  that  [the use  of  seat  belts]                                                              
produces more of  an effect, reducing fatalities,  with the higher                                                              
risk groups.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG asked, "You  won't get  to those people  until                                                              
you start getting 90 percent compliance?"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN clarified,  "As you  get  to the  90 percent,  you're                                                              
getting  more and more  benefit."   He acknowledged  that  at each                                                              
step along  the way there will  be benefit, although  more benefit                                                              
will  result  as  the 90  percent  is  reached  because  virtually                                                              
everyone will be buckled up.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG inquired  as  to why  there  is no  discussion                                                              
with regard to safety belts on school buses.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  offered to provide  the committee with a  report that                                                              
NTSB  did  no  this  topic.   He  pointed  out  that  there  is  a                                                              
fundamental  difference with  the  structure of  school buses  and                                                              
cars, specifically the  seats.  The seats in cars  aren't meant to                                                              
compartmentalize  the rider  as  they are  in school  buses.   Mr.                                                              
Quinlan said  that it would be  preferable to design  school buses                                                              
such  that the  bus  seats would  compartmentalize  the rider  and                                                              
belt  the rider.    He explained  that in  school  bus crashes  in                                                              
which  there are  two-point belts,  the  body jack-knifes  forward                                                              
causing  the head  of the  child to  hit the  bar on  the seat  in                                                              
front  of the child.   Mr.  Quinlan further  explained that  there                                                              
are certain situations  in which school buses with  belts actually                                                              
cause injuries.   The fundamental answer is that  school bus seats                                                              
need to  be redesigned to accommodate  seat belts, which  would be                                                              
the   most   effective   option.      In   further   response   to                                                              
Representative Ogg,  Mr. Quinlan  confirmed that with  the present                                                              
configuration of school  buses, it's safer not to  have seat belts                                                              
than to have them.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2085                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM  interjected  that   it's  also  true  that  it's  not                                                              
particularly  in  the  best  interest  of a  truck  driver  to  be                                                              
anchored  to  a  seat.    He  also  mentioned  that  it  would  be                                                              
preferable to  lay down when hitting  a moose rather  than staying                                                              
upright [as the seat belt would keep one crashing into a moose].                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  noted that he read  an article about  Honda designing                                                              
passenger  cars   to  be  more  forgiving  to   pedestrians  while                                                              
preserving  the  integrity of  the  passenger compartment  of  the                                                              
vehicle.    In  further  response   to  Chair  Holm,  Mr.  Quinlan                                                              
recalled  that Federal  Motor  Carrier Safety  Regulation  (FMCSR)                                                              
23.391 already requires  that truck drivers use seat  belts.  Many                                                              
states  have  adopted FMCSR  in  whole  or substantial  part,  and                                                              
therefore he guessed that Alaska probably has adopted those.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM  highlighted  that   Alaska  consists  of  urban  road                                                              
systems  as well  as  many small  rural road  systems  or no  road                                                              
systems.   He questioned  the [appropriateness]  of having  a seat                                                              
belt  law in  a  location without  [much  traffic].   He  recalled                                                              
growing up in Alaska  and traveling on the tractor  or in the back                                                              
of a  pickup truck.  Chair  Holm questioned translating  [federal]                                                              
policy in a state as broad as Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  clarified that this  policy isn't out  of Washington,                                                              
D.C., but  rather has been developed  by the states.   Mr. Quinlan                                                              
suggested  that the  second largest  state, Texas,  has a  primary                                                              
safety belt  law and  its usage  rate is in  the high  80 percent.                                                              
He  further  suggested  that  the  seat belt  law  would  be  more                                                              
important in rural areas because the roads are less forgiving.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2264                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH  agreed  that it's  dangerous  to  drive                                                              
without  wearing a  seat belt.   However,  he inquired  as to  the                                                              
statistics that would  specify that an individual  not wearing his                                                              
or her seat belt would endanger others on the road.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN  said  that  those  not  wearing  seat  belts  impact                                                              
others.    He noted  his  interpretation  of  Section 1.1  of  the                                                              
constitution  to specify a  responsibility as  well as  right with                                                              
regard to wearing a seat belt.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH highlighted  that the constitution  also                                                              
includes  the  right  to  privacy,  which is  the  issue  of  most                                                              
concern for him.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN specified  that this  legislation  would set  minimum                                                              
standards statewide.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO posed  a situation  in which  a 16 year  old                                                              
drives  into a  bridge abutment,  whether that  individual wore  a                                                              
seat belt is  irrelevant.  Although the statement  that seat belts                                                              
save lives  is made, he  said he has  never seen the  data because                                                              
it's virtually  impossible to obtain  data specifying that  a life                                                              
would've  been saved  by a seat  belt.   However, he  acknowledged                                                              
that when  one has  been ejected  and the  vehicle rolls  over the                                                              
individual, it's  clear [that life  would've been saved by  a seat                                                              
belt].                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 04-4, SIDE B                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO   questioned  the  data  related   to  those                                                              
individuals  who  [due to  wearing  a  seat  belt] stayed  in  the                                                              
vehicle  as it  rolled,  but would've  been  saved  had they  been                                                              
ejected early  on.   Representative Gatto  expressed concern  with                                                              
regard  to  making   a  law  based  on  suspicious   and  somewhat                                                              
fragmented data.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2363                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN opined  that the  state  does have  the data  because                                                              
there are  accident reconstructionists  who can determine  whether                                                              
accidents were survivable  had seat belts been worn.   Mr. Quinlan                                                              
related  his understanding  that Representative  Gatto was  asking                                                              
for specific  cases and an aggregation  of those, which  he didn't                                                              
have.   However,  he predicted  that the  representative from  the                                                              
injury prevention  center would probably  be able to  relate cases                                                              
that weren't  survivable when seat  belts were worn and  when they                                                              
weren't worn.   Mr. Quinlan stated  that it is known  that crashes                                                              
at very high  speeds are relatively  rare and seat belts  are very                                                              
effective [in  crashes] at speeds  up to 45  or 50 miles  per hour                                                              
(mph).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH surmised then  that the statistics  that                                                              
Mr. Quinlan provided are based on people protecting themselves.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN replied  yes,  and added  that  [wearing seat  belts]                                                              
saves money.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH expressed his  desire to see  statistics                                                              
that  illustrate  that when  one  buckles  up, it  protects  other                                                              
lives.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  posed a situation  in which  one is traveling  down a                                                              
curvy road  in excess  of the  speed limit.   [If that  individual                                                              
isn't buckled in],  he or she will move around  within the vehicle                                                              
and have less control  than otherwise.  He was  sure the engineers                                                              
could quantify the aforementioned.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2197                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH reiterated  his concern  with regard  to                                                              
the right to privacy.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN  related his understanding  that the right  to privacy                                                              
on  a  public road  is  limited.   Mr.  Quinlan  highlighted  that                                                              
parents who  don't buckle up  are less  likely to buckle  up their                                                              
children, and  therefore this legislation  would be  beneficial in                                                              
that  realm  as  well.   In  further  response  to  Representative                                                              
Stepovich,  Mr. Quinlan  confirmed that  children up  to age  four                                                              
must be  restrained.  He noted  the difficulty the  police officer                                                              
has in  determining the age  of the child  from a distance.   Only                                                              
in the most  egregious cases would  the police officer  stop a car                                                              
because the police officer must have probable cause.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH recalled from  prior testimony  that the                                                              
same  difficulties  in  relation  to  whether  the  individual  is                                                              
wearing a seat belt would occur under this legislation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  QUINLAN  pointed out  that  it's  easy to  determine  whether                                                              
someone  is  wearing a  seat  belt  with automobiles,  unless  the                                                              
automobile  was  built  before 1975  when  the  three-point  [seat                                                              
belt] was required.   However, it's difficult to  determine [if an                                                              
individual is wearing  a seat belt] in pickup  trucks because they                                                              
have a longer lead-in to having the three-point [seat belts].                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM   surmised  the  question   to  be:     "Wherein  does                                                              
government take  a stand and  say you have  a privilege  and these                                                              
are  the  things you  have  to  do to  maintain  that  privilege."                                                              
Driving is seen  as a privilege rather than a right.   However, he                                                              
acknowledged   the   validity   of   Representatives   Gatto   and                                                              
Stepovich's  line  of questioning  regarding  where  does  society                                                              
step in on matters such as these.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. QUINLAN interjected that the government sets the minimum.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2029                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA MOORE, Coordinator,  Alaska Trauma Registry,  Department of                                                              
Health  and  Social  Services  (DHSS),  related  the  department's                                                              
support  of HB  392.   She  then  paraphrased  from the  following                                                              
written testimony [original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     There were  about 43,000  (42,931) Alaskans involved  in                                                                   
     a  car, truck  or bus  crash  in 2001  according to  the                                                                   
     Department   of   Transportation's   Traffic   Accidents                                                                   
     Report.   (In about  3/4 of these  crashes we know  seat                                                                   
     belt  usage.)   The  unbelted  occupants were  19  times                                                                   
     more  likely  to die  than  those restrained  in  safety                                                                   
     belts,  and 12  times  more likely  to  sustain a  major                                                                   
     injury.    Eighty-four  percent   (84%)  of  the  belted                                                                   
     occupants  in crashes  walked  away uninjured,  compared                                                                   
     with only 60% of the unbelted occupants.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     A  very  revealing  statistic   from  the  1998  Traffic                                                                   
     Accident  Report, which  is  the most  recent  published                                                                   
     report  that  talks  about ejections  from  the  vehicle                                                                   
     during  a crash,  is that  there were  20 crash  victims                                                                   
     who were ejected  from the vehicle that year,  and 19 of                                                                   
     them died.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Trauma Registry  records  all  hospitalized                                                                   
     injuries.   In the  last decade  there were about  3,500                                                                   
     (3315)  Alaskans were admitted  to a  hospital due  to a                                                                   
     car crash injury.   Over half of these victims  were not                                                                   
     restrained  at  the time  of  the  crash and  they  were                                                                   
     almost  twice  as  likely  to  sustain  a  serious  head                                                                   
     injury  and one  and  a half  times  more  likely to  be                                                                   
     discharged  with   a  permanent  disability,   than  the                                                                   
     restrained crash victims.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Among   the   1,765   patients  who   where   were   not                                                                   
     restrained:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · there were 90 fatalities                                                                                              
        · 606 traumatic brain injuries                                                                                          
        · 274 permanent disabilities                                                                                            
        · 148 were discharged from the hospital to a                                                                            
          rehabilitation or skilled nursing facility.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  trauma   registry  also   records  hospital   costs                                                                   
     associated  with injury.   The data  show that the  cost                                                                   
     of  hospitalization   alone   for  an  unbelted   person                                                                   
     injured  in a motor  vehicle crash  is on average  about                                                                   
     $22,000 per  patient, compared with $17,000  for someone                                                                   
     who used a  seat belt and harness.  The  trauma registry                                                                   
     also shows that  about 22% of the unbelted  victims were                                                                   
     uninsured  and  31%  billed  a  government  program  for                                                                   
     their  hospital care (including  172 billing  Medicaid).                                                                   
     So for over  50%, the cost of hospitalization  is passed                                                                   
     directly on to the public.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOORE, on the last point, highlighted that she is speaking                                                                  
to only the cost of hospitalization, and noted that a head                                                                      
injury often requires a lifetime of care.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1845                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG inquired as to the percentage of belted                                                                      
victims who were uninsured.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOORE related that of the 1,270 belted victims, 196 were                                                                    
uninsured.  Therefore, she estimated that to amount to about                                                                    
one-sixth of the [belted victims were uninsured].                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1768                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JOAN DIAMOND  informed the  committee that  although she  works in                                                              
public health  for the City of  Anchorage, she is speaking  on her                                                              
own  behalf today.   Ms.  Diamond  pointed out  that HB  392 is  a                                                              
policy  with strong  cost-cutting  features.   The  big deal  with                                                              
regard to  injuries is related to  head injuries.   It's difficult                                                              
to repair  brain damage,  which  results in the  need for  nursing                                                              
home stays  and long term care  rehabilitation.  She  informed the                                                              
committee that  about one in three  of those [with  head injuries]                                                              
bill   the    government   program    for   hospitalization    and                                                              
rehabilitation    costs.      Therefore,    it's   difficult    to                                                              
conceptualize how  much Medicaid would pay for  that percentage of                                                              
[victims] who are unbelted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DIAMOND  related  that she wears  her seat  belt and  requires                                                              
every passenger  in her automobile to  do the same.   However, not                                                              
everyone  does.   Ms.  Diamond noted  that  it has  been 12  years                                                              
since  she first  testified with  regard to  the need  for a  seat                                                              
belt law, and now she feels it's time for Alaska to do so.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1645                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROB  KAUFFMAN  informed  the  committee   that  he  has  conducted                                                              
federal  crash  injury  research   studies  for  approximately  15                                                              
years.   He  noted that  he  is currently  involved  in the  Crash                                                              
Injury  Research and  Engineering Network  (CIREN), which  started                                                              
in late 1996.   Mr. Kauffman explained that he would  try to bring                                                              
an understanding  with regard to how  a body manages the  force in                                                              
a crash.   For example,  at a  speed of 30-35  mph, one  hitting a                                                              
light pole is  equivalent to jumping from a  three-story building.                                                              
The seat belt  actually displaces the force over  a larger surface                                                              
area  of the  body and  it also  provides the  individual time  to                                                              
manage the  force safely.   Therefore, such  a crash could  be one                                                              
which someone  could survive when  wearing a seat belt.   However,                                                              
when one  is not wearing  a seat  belt in such  a crash,  the body                                                              
moves forward  and the steering  column will drive into  the chest                                                              
with almost 4-5 inches of compression into the sternum.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KAUFFMAN  turned to an  earlier question regarding  the safety                                                              
others experience when  an individual wears his or  her seat belt.                                                              
He  related that  the Harborview  Injury  Prevention and  Research                                                              
Center  recently released  a study  regarding  car occupant  death                                                              
according  to the restraint  use  of other occupants.   The  study                                                              
found  that if an  individual  in the  front seat  is belted  in a                                                              
frontal crash and  someone not wearing a seat belt  is behind that                                                              
front  seat occupant,  that front  seat occupant  has a  increased                                                              
risk of  injury.   He explained  that the  front seat occupant  is                                                              
loading  on the  seat  belt with  his or  her  body, meanwhile  an                                                              
unrestrained occupant  in the rear seat is hitting  the seat back,                                                              
which places  more force on the  front seat occupant and  the seat                                                              
belt.   The study  found that  almost one  in six deaths  could've                                                              
been prevented  if the  other occupant, either  next to  or behind                                                              
the restrained individual, in the car was restrained.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KAUFFMAN  returned  to a minor  residential  crash at  30 mph.                                                              
If  everyone is  restrained,  the individuals  should  be able  to                                                              
exchange information  and walk  [away from]  the scene.   However,                                                              
when  folks  aren't  belted  in  a  minor  crash,  the  result  is                                                              
moderate  to severe  injuries requiring  basic  and advanced  life                                                              
support services  to arrive  at the scene.   All this  costs money                                                              
and taps  into emergency service  resources.  Mr.  Kauffman opined                                                              
that seat  belt use would  basically eliminate the  moderate/minor                                                              
injuries,  and reduce  the severe  injuries to  injuries that  are                                                              
more survivable and treatable.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. KAUFFMAN  turned to the notion  that if one has an  airbag, it                                                              
will protect  the individual [even  without wearing a  seat belt].                                                              
However, that's not  the case because an unbelted  individual will                                                              
"submarine" under  the airbag, which will then  hit the individual                                                              
in the face and  head.  The aforementioned has  resulted in severe                                                              
neck and head  fatalities.  Mr. Kauffman specified  that an airbag                                                              
is  supplemental to  a seat  belt,  and therefore  it's even  more                                                              
important for  those with an airbag  in the vehicle to  wear their                                                              
seat belt.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1327                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO asked  then  if Mr.  Kauffman would  suggest                                                              
that there  be an interconnection  between airbags and  seat belts                                                              
so that nonuse of the seat belt would deactivate the airbag.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KAUFFMAN informed  the committee that there  are vehicles with                                                              
a dual  stage  airbag, which  has two  different inflation  rates.                                                              
However,  he  didn't  believe  the airbag  should  be  turned  off                                                              
completely  for  an unrestrained  occupant  because  airbags  were                                                              
designed  to  protect  unrestrained   occupants.    Therefore,  by                                                              
leaving  the airbag,  there would  be some reduction  in head  and                                                              
chest injuries.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STEPOVICH    commented   that    Mr.   Kauffman's                                                              
information is valuable.   Representative Stepovich  turned to the                                                              
State of Washington's  experience and remarked that  the law can't                                                              
be  the  only  thing  changing  the  statistics.    Therefore,  he                                                              
requested that Mr.  Kauffman elaborate on the other  changes, such                                                              
as education, that has changed the behavior.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.   KAUFFMAN  opined   that  education   definitely   influences                                                              
behavior.   If one  reviews  the deaths  by age,  the result  is a                                                              
"bath tub curve".   The beginning of that curve is  the 16-21 year                                                              
olds and  the end  of the curve  is the  elderly who can't  handle                                                              
surviving  a  crash.     Therefore,  the  [State   of  Washington]                                                              
targeted  16-25 year  olds and  went  to high  schools to  educate                                                              
these  drivers  with  regard  to seat  belts.    Furthermore,  the                                                              
[State of Washington]  used the "Click It or  Ticket" campaign and                                                              
a seat  belt video  that shows  the damage  a body  sustains  in a                                                              
crash.   In  further  response  to Representative  Stepovich,  Mr.                                                              
Kauffman informed  the committee  that when  outreach is  done, he                                                              
tries to focus on a singular theme of seat belts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1070                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JANE FELLMAN,  Coordinator, Kenai  Peninsula Safe Kids  Coalition,                                                              
informed  the  committee  that  she has  been  an  emergency  room                                                              
critical  car  nurse  for  30  years.   On  behalf  of  the  Kenai                                                              
Peninsula Safe  Kids Coalition,  she related  support for  HB 392.                                                              
Ms. Fellman said  that she has experienced very  positive response                                                              
when  helping people  buckle  up children  properly.   She  opined                                                              
that making  failure to wear  a seat belt  a primary offense  is a                                                              
step forward in  saving lives and money.  Ms.  Fellman highlighted                                                              
points that  the sponsor made with  regard to the fact  that those                                                              
parents who  don't buckle up  are less  likely to buckle  up their                                                              
children.   She  also highlighted  Mr.  Kauffman's testimony  that                                                              
those who  don't buckle  up are  a "deadly  missile" to  others in                                                              
the vehicle.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FELLMAN  informed the committee  that she has  participated in                                                              
observation  stations in  which  she observed  youth driving  into                                                              
school  in the  mornings.   She  agreed with  the statements  that                                                              
sometimes one can't  tell whether the youth is buckled  in or not.                                                              
She  explained that  during her  observations, if  it couldn't  be                                                              
determined whether  the youth  was wearing his  or her  seat belt,                                                              
that youth wasn't  counted.  Still, the percentage  came out to be                                                              
60-65  percent use.   She noted  that [Kenai  Peninsula Safe  Kids                                                              
Coalition]  does  education  programs  with the  parents  and  the                                                              
youth.   In closing,  she reiterated  that this legislation  would                                                              
be a step forward in making everyone safer.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. FELLMAN, in  response to Chair Holm, clarified  that she works                                                              
in  the   emergency  department   at  Central  Peninsula   General                                                              
Hospital and  she is the coordinator  of the Kenai  Peninsula Safe                                                              
Kids Coalition.   She said that she didn't have  the exact numbers                                                              
of  accident  victims  who  would've been  helped  had  they  been                                                              
restrained by  a seat belt, but  deferred to Ms. Moore.   However,                                                              
she  commented that  the  trauma and  the  emotional and  physical                                                              
pain is definitely  worse when the individual isn't  restrained by                                                              
a seat belt.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0843                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT  HAMANN  announced  his  opposition   to  HB  392  for  many                                                              
reasons,  including his  personal  liberty.   Mr. Hamann  remarked                                                              
that  he found  it  interesting  that Mr.  Quinlan  said that  the                                                              
federal government  doesn't have the right to tell  Alaska what to                                                              
do.   With  regard to  the comments  that  this legislation  would                                                              
save money,  Mr. Hamann  pointed out that  on the Kenai  Peninsula                                                              
there have  been a flurry of  major burglaries.   However, Captain                                                              
Tom  Bowman, Commander  of E  Detachment,  Alaska State  Troopers,                                                              
has said that he  doesn't have enough time, manpower,  or money to                                                              
investigate  these crimes.   Furthermore,  he  recalled reading  a                                                              
newspaper article  that reported  that over half  of the  rapes in                                                              
Anchorage aren't  being investigated.   Mr. Hamann said,  "I gotta                                                              
tell you  that I think it's  an absolute travesty of  justice that                                                              
major crimes  are going  uninvestigated,  and we're talking  about                                                              
adding a minor offense  that's going to force our  officers to run                                                              
around  and write  tickets  for."   Therefore,  he suggested  that                                                              
when law enforcement  can come forward without a  major backlog of                                                              
major  burglaries, assaults,  rapes,  and murders,  seat belt  use                                                              
could be discussed at that time.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0725                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   STEPOVICH    inquired   as   to    Mr.   Hamann's                                                              
affiliation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAMANN  informed  the committee  that he  is the president  of                                                              
ABATE of  Alaska, a motorcycle group,  but noted that today  he is                                                              
representing himself.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH inquired as  to why motorcyclists  don't                                                              
have to buckle up.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAMANN  mentioned that  there are  several motorcycles,  which                                                              
have  airbag   suits,  which   would  inflate   as  a   course  of                                                              
protection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLM  noted that on  February 7th  the U.S. Senate  tabled a                                                              
floor  amendment,   which  would've   sanctioned  any   state  not                                                              
enacting  a primary seat  belt enforcement  law.   It was  a close                                                              
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0569                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
WALT  MONEGAN, Chief,  Anchorage  Police Department,  Municipality                                                              
of  Anchorage, acknowledged  the  concern with  regard to  privacy                                                              
and  said  that  law  enforcement   won't  be  targeting  specific                                                              
things.   However, the  department is utilizing  a "flavor  of the                                                              
week" concept  in which law  enforcement attempts to  heighten the                                                              
awareness  and compliance  because traffic  enforcement is  really                                                              
about  gaining  compliance.    Mr.   Monegan  explained  that  law                                                              
enforcement will  be able to tell  whether folks are  wearing seat                                                              
belts  in  newer  vehicles  due   to  the  shoulder  harness,  and                                                              
therefore  police won't  be able  to tell whether  folks in  older                                                              
vehicles  with only  a lap  belt are wearing  the  seat belt.   He                                                              
said that law  enforcement won't make investigatory  stops for the                                                              
latter because  they are  too busy  for that.   He mentioned  that                                                              
since the early  1980s, the Anchorage Police Department  has had a                                                              
policy that its officers on duty wear seat belts.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MONEGAN  turned to the matter  of education, and  related that                                                              
education has  more of an  impact if it  has a foundation  in law.                                                              
All the  school resource  officers in  the Anchorage high  schools                                                              
are  talking about  kids being  safe when  they drive.   He  noted                                                              
that he  drives an  unmarked police  car, but  he has  experienced                                                              
folks recognizing him  or the car and putting on  their seat belt.                                                              
As mentioned earlier,  the costs [of not wearing a  seat belt] are                                                              
more  than  merely  monetary.    Mr.  Monegan  characterized  this                                                              
legislation as another tool to help gain compliance.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEPOVICH  agreed that "we" need to  make sure that                                                              
folks wear  their seat belts.   However, he questioned  whether it                                                              
has to be the law.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MONEGAN pointed  out  that  the law  already  exists in  that                                                              
failure  to wear  a  seat belt  is  a secondary  violation,  which                                                              
increased compliance.   Law enforcement  can stop folks  and write                                                              
them  a citation  when  a child  isn't  restrained.   Mr.  Monegan                                                              
characterized  the  proposed  law  as  a  uniform  and  resounding                                                              
statement that  seat belts  are safe  and must be  used.   The law                                                              
carries more weight  and children pickup on that.   Making failure                                                              
to wear  a seat belt  a primary offense  would bring  a heightened                                                              
awareness.    He  related  that  when  the  high  school  resource                                                              
officers did a  campaign about seat belts and  children, there was                                                              
about  a  79  percent  increase  in the  use  of  seat  belts  for                                                              
children.   In fact, Mr. Monegan  said he believes that  the state                                                              
was recognized  as one of the  most improved with regard  to [seat                                                              
belt  use  for   children].    The  aforementioned   needs  to  be                                                              
accomplished with adults.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH  opined   that  it  isn't  necessary  to                                                              
enforce it  [as a primary offense]  if the other avenues,  such as                                                              
education, are utilized.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 04-5, SIDE A                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  STEPOVICH expressed  concern that  this law  would                                                              
be used as an ulterior motive to stop people.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 0031                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MONEGAN  recalled Representative  Stepovich's  comments  with                                                              
regard to profiling.   He noted that profiling  is against policy,                                                              
unless there is  a specific case with a specific  car and suspect.                                                              
When there  is a specific  case with a  specific car  and suspect,                                                              
it's incident  profiling  rather than random  profiling or  racial                                                              
profiling.    He  acknowledged   that  having  a  strong,  unified                                                              
message doesn't  necessarily  open the door.   Furthermore,  there                                                              
is  more to  this  than the  victim  because  the other  uninjured                                                              
driver would feel miserable as well.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 0196                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER  RUDINGER,  Executive Director,  Alaska  Civil  Liberties                                                              
Union (AkCLU), informed  the committee that AkCLU  is a nonprofit,                                                              
nonpartisan  organization  with  approximately 1,800  members  and                                                              
supporters    throughout    Alaska   dedicated    to    preserving                                                              
individuals'  civil  liberties.     Ms.  Rudinger  said  that  the                                                              
decision  whether or  not  to make  the seat  belt  law a  primary                                                              
offense is  a policy  decision for the  legislature.   However, if                                                              
the legislature decides  to make it a primary  offense, there must                                                              
be  safeguards  built  into  the  law  to  prevent  the  law  from                                                              
becoming  a   pretext  for  searches   that  would   otherwise  be                                                              
unlawful.   She  noted that  AkCLU  sent the  committee a  written                                                              
statement and an amendment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM,  in response  to  Ms.  Rudinger, announced  that  the                                                              
legislation won't be moved from the committee today.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RUDINGER   explained  that   the  amendment  would   place  a                                                              
safeguard  in the  law  ensuring  that just  the  state will  have                                                              
primary  seat belt  enforcement  power and  that  police won't  be                                                              
able to use  seat belt violations  as a pretext for  pulling folks                                                              
over for  other reasons and then  seek consent from the  driver to                                                              
search his  or her car.   She expressed  hope that the  sponsor of                                                              
HB 392  would support  the amendment because  the only  reason not                                                              
to accept  the amendment is  that one wants  to give the  police a                                                              
pretext  to stop  and  search cars  when  they otherwise  wouldn't                                                              
have a  legitimate reason  to do  so.   The amendment proposed  by                                                              
AkCLU would insert the following language:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     No law  enforcement  officer shall use  AS 28.05.095  as                                                                   
     the  basis  for  stopping  a  motor  vehicle  for  other                                                                   
     reasons,  and no operator  of a  motor vehicle shall  be                                                                   
     requested to  consent to a  search by a law  enforcement                                                                   
     officer  of his or  her motor  vehicle which is  stopped                                                                   
     solely for  a violation of  AS 28.05.095.   Any evidence                                                                   
     obtained  as a  result of  a search  prohibited by  this                                                                   
     subsection  shall   be  inadmissible  in   any  judicial                                                                   
     proceeding.   A person  may not  be placed under  arrest                                                                   
     solely  for  a  violation  of  AS  28.05.095.    Nothing                                                                   
     herein  shall be construed  to preclude  a search  based                                                                   
     upon  any legally  sufficient  cause to  believe that  a                                                                   
     search will uncover contraband or evidence of a crime.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUDINGER  explained that the  first sentence of  the amendment                                                              
specifies  that this  law is  only  for stopping  people for  seat                                                              
belt  violations.   If the  impetus  for this  legislation is,  in                                                              
fact, safety  and ensuring people  buckle up, then that  should be                                                              
the  only reason  the law  is enacted  and enforced.   The  second                                                              
sentence of the  amendment takes any incentive  by law enforcement                                                              
to force  people to  consent to  searches by  specifying that  any                                                              
evidence obtained  in such a search  would be inadmissible  in any                                                              
judicial  proceeding.   The third  sentence  specifies that  folks                                                              
shouldn't  be arrested  solely for  violating the  seat belt  law.                                                              
The  fourth  sentence  specifies  that if  law  enforcement,  upon                                                              
stopping someone  for a seat belt violation,  finds probable cause                                                              
for another crime,  law enforcement should be able  to investigate                                                              
such a situation and obtain evidence.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0628                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HOLM,  upon determining  no  one  else wished  to  testify,                                                              
announced that public testimony was closed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 0663                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE  turned  to  the  presence  of  airbags  in                                                              
automobiles,  and informed  the committee  that airbags only  work                                                              
in  frontal  crashes whereas  seat  belts  work  in all  types  of                                                              
crashes.    With  regard  to concerns  that  law  enforcement  are                                                              
already  busy and  this legislation  would have  them "run  around                                                              
and  give  tickets,"  she  said   that  isn't  the  point  of  the                                                              
legislation.    Furthermore,  many felons  are  identified  during                                                              
traffic  stops.   With  regard  to Ambler,  Representative  Heinze                                                              
informed the  committee that a  13-year-old girl was  killed there                                                              
last year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HEINZE found  it interesting  that commercial  and                                                              
private aircraft are  required to have seat belts,  and failure to                                                              
do  so is  an $1,100  fine.   Representative  Heinze  acknowledged                                                              
that  Alaskans are  fiercely independent  folks,  but she  pointed                                                              
out  that Alaskans  aren't stupid.    She related  that a  primary                                                              
seat belt  law would've saved  the lives  of 37 people  last year.                                                              
Education  by  itself isn't  enough.    The  law is  necessary  to                                                              
change the  behavior, while  education compliments  the law.   She                                                              
stressed,  "No  state has  achieved  90  percent usage  without  a                                                              
primary seat belt law."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[HB 392 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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